So, here I am in 2018, wanting to try out this deck. Does anyone know what would be the best replacement for mistress of mixtures and abyssal enforcer? With the new update , those two cards are now wild, which is pretty much useless because everything needs to be standard, What would be the best standard card replacement for the two?
Tainted zealot is good for spell damage,u dont really need the extra that thalmos offers draw a card,u can draw enough cards with warlock,and skull of manari is really bad here,it will summon azari if u have equiped the weapon and u finished the rin rituals and then no battlecry and no destroying opponents deck
The more I run this deck, the more it seems that Oak is completely optional… it’s good if your Rin has not appeared early, but it’s definitely not crucial…
After tinkering around a little, I think Dark Pacts are necessary, it’s an insane amount of healing (which translates in way more taps, or gives you more chances vs aggro… dark pact a mistress and you get 12 health for 3 mana…).
Since I don’t have the skull, I’m running a single enforcer for removal mainly, the Voidlords are all you really need to control the game and wait for the Guldan or the Rin to fatigue your opponent… A second zealot instead of Thalnos (I don’t have him either) does the trick perfectly for those tricky Defiles…
Doom is alright if you have it, or just whatever removal you can get (Hellfire, Spreading madness, Felfire potion…) Doom is the closest though since it removes everything… can be tricky to get to turn 10 if you’re against the ropes though
If you don’t have RIM right now you may want just add a Hellfire for clearing and activating the spellstones… there’s a ton of warlock zoo decks around right now, it helps…
Honestly this doesnt work without rin,its not cubelock and u cant rush with 5-6 doomguards to the enemies face,rin is really good and neccesary,i played one while without her and then decided to craft the card,sometimes u only win because of her and other times it can be late if u draw her on turn 7-9 or even on turn 10
Having some trouble with the weapon. Overall the deck works great and has great control/stall. However, I often have access to the weapon before I even get Rin or Oakheart. When I finally complete the Rin combo, the weapon summons the demon, bypassing it’s powerful battlecry effect. Am I doing something wrong? How can I utilize this deck to it’s full potential if I am doing something wrong?
dont play this deck with the weapon,i know,i played the first few times too and it fuck up the battlecry and the work u did with the rituals is for shit,sure u get one 10-10 but its better withhout the weapon,i play a different control warlock,thinking about crafting nzoth too,he would be great in thi s deck
Ive been playing this deck since the expansion release and have been having very good success with it for the most part. I know I wont win every game but I feel like some of the few games I lose could be prevented if I had the right cards. I know its early and everyone says don’t spend essence on cards this early. I am running 2x hellfire and an extra tainted zealot due to not having thalanos, oakheart, and skull. I have enough essence for 2 legendaries and was thinking oakheart and skull but am hesitant because it is so early in the expansion. I guess im looking for reassurance to not spend the essence for them or some knowledge on how good this deck is projected to be to warrant me spending the essence. Ty for the feedback
If anything, craft thalanos. long term gain in that he is a classic legendary. He is in just about any control deck because of its effect. So always pick those first to craft. After that, wait until the meta settles. To be honest, oakheart is probably the one you want to craft because of the instant value you get from him, skull is good, but not a completely necessary craft. I would save the dust until the meta settles to craft one of thsoe two.
Just wanna chime in and agree. I run this deck (no blood mage yet but I have everything else) and I would say craft Rin, Oakheart, and Gul’dan if you don’t have them yet. The skull is nice but I’ve had to screw me more times than I’ve really benefitted from it. I have pulled off the full Rin combo at least 5 times now and the skull had summoned him every time, negating the battlecry. Skull still adds a ton of value but just not as necessary for the deck to work well.
Are the Voidlords absolutely crucial? and isn’t the skull a bit counterproductive if it pulls your enforcers or homunculus? They are the way to increase your spellstones… I’ve been testing this with Hellfires instead of Voidlords, a second zealot instead of thalnos (I don’t have him), and a single corrosive sludge instead of the skull, but I’m definitely doing something wrong, vs control I almost always end up in fatigue, and it’s difficult to effectively destroy the opponent’s deck with Azari.. I would highly appreciate pointers on how to play the deck…
Voidlords + guldan and oakheart are op. Hopefully you don’t draw homunculus early, but abyssal enforcers are usually hard to play with the battlecry, so cheating it out works alright. It isn’t crucial to activate your spellstones either. Voillords are needed, 2 of them.
Actually, homunculus are fine if you have the spellstones in hand, or if you add dark pact for sustainability… minor tweaks to fit different playstyles…
just play with one homonuclas(or maybe without homonuclas,it seems tht the possesed lackey almost always pulls the homonuclas to the field even if u have 2 voidlords in the deck),2 kobold librarians and 2 hellfires it is enough to boost the spellstones,and with the voidlords u can have a strong taunts board and play the rin rituals effectively,and hold the twisting nether(or doom,whatever u play) as much as possible,if the opponent has a strong board on turn 8-9,u have the voidlords and the demons form the rin ritual still in play,play twisting nether,then later guldan and resumoon your minions and then u can play azari
After trying this out for a day. Easily fixed the weapon problem. Your deck does tend to get over flooded with minions but that’s not always a bad thing with the deck.
my argument was that by the time you finish the seals, your opponent would be out of cards naturally by then anyways. turns out Rin surprisingly good. control lock is already good against aggro and midrange and Rin is a very good anti control card. was playing against another control lock and destroyed half of his deck
yep,i was the same,though it will be bad at the time u can play azari and destroy the opponents deck,the deck is bad against the new mage with the explosive runes or whatever they call that,and sometimes agains big spell priest,depends if u draw rin early
If you are feeling greedy some day, you can play the Darkness after you Azari your opponent’s deck. The ultimate end game threat. Chances are either dead already, won rounds ago and just BMing, or last resort all in.
Rin is the most important of the 2 in this deck, but is otherwise a pretty bad card while Okenheart is a pretty strong cards in different decks including this one.
I built a Rin deck it’s very different from this one , no skull although I have it.. I use the demon recruit guy. to get void Lord and bloodblloms… Currently 7-1 with it. You have to stall but with warlock that’s not hard. To think I got a gold copy and was about to dust it… I’m glad I hesitated , this is fun..
My very first game with this list a priest got a copy of my rin and was able to destroy my deck, next turn I killed him with hero power. Is this deck secretly super good? Dang
It’s tier 2 right now. I grinded from rank 9 to rank 6 tonight with a 67% winrate. Although I don’t use the weapon instead I have a single hellfire. It’s been great!
Definitely a fun deck to play, and it has 2 different win conditions (fatigue with Rin or just good old demon swarm with Gul’dan), so I believe it’s worth playing… not sure about viability for top ladder positions though…
The Darkness puts duplicates into highlander decks, turning of cards like Raza and Kuzakus until they draw 2 out of 3 candles. I think it can be very useful depending on the meta.
Playstyle isn’t just easy, you need to play greedy and proactively. That, and any game with a new deck is hard to learn. It’s a control Warlock, not like any other deck.
You need to play it more, so you can allocate your resources better… Defile is a great tool but it can be a little tricky to calculate… Try to delay the game with early taunts, trading and removal, until you can get Rin in there, or a decent gul’dan…
Only losses i have so far in 10 games was to a rogue with double shadowstep prince on turn 2 and i had none of my early game and to highlander priest. This deck is really fun always love dogs deck ideas
100% worth, control warlock pushes long enough to make use of Rin’s seals, and if you complete it, you get a win condition (and it is not hard to reach) your other win condition being bloodreaver gul’dan,which Rin’s seals contribute to! Its an amazing card for control warlock overall.
lucky me. I wasn’t even thinking of building a Warlock deck but what do you know. In 53 packs I managed to get both Legendaries from the Warlock class as well both Voidlords and I also got Master Oakheart.
He’s been great for me so far. This deck feels extremely powerful. There’s a lot of cool synergies with it and I haven’t been able to find many weak spots with it in the 10 or so games I’ve played with it.
Ikr! I was just thinking about what the deck loses to, and my only loses were blatant missplays on my part which lost me the game (during the early stages of learning how to use the deck effectively) it beats Miracle Rogue, it can beat Raza Priest, it beats Token Druid. What more could you ask for than a deck that beats all the other top tier decks! 😀
It’s definitely not an easy match, you need to get Rin out there fast to mill their deck and deny them key pieces, or get a fat Gul’dan to keep your health up…
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So, here I am in 2018, wanting to try out this deck. Does anyone know what would be the best replacement for mistress of mixtures and abyssal enforcer? With the new update , those two cards are now wild, which is pretty much useless because everything needs to be standard, What would be the best standard card replacement for the two?
Really liking this deck so far.
What would be the best Thalnos replacement? Running a dark pact atm
Tainted zealot is good for spell damage,u dont really need the extra that thalmos offers draw a card,u can draw enough cards with warlock,and skull of manari is really bad here,it will summon azari if u have equiped the weapon and u finished the rin rituals and then no battlecry and no destroying opponents deck
I don’t have oak and I don’t really like skull. Running one hell fire and a midhiv. It’s not too bad
N’Zoth would be better than Medivh.
The more I run this deck, the more it seems that Oak is completely optional… it’s good if your Rin has not appeared early, but it’s definitely not crucial…
After tinkering around a little, I think Dark Pacts are necessary, it’s an insane amount of healing (which translates in way more taps, or gives you more chances vs aggro… dark pact a mistress and you get 12 health for 3 mana…).
Since I don’t have the skull, I’m running a single enforcer for removal mainly, the Voidlords are all you really need to control the game and wait for the Guldan or the Rin to fatigue your opponent… A second zealot instead of Thalnos (I don’t have him either) does the trick perfectly for those tricky Defiles…
Tar creepers feel a little underwhelming though…
U even dont need skull of manari,it will fuck up the battlecry of azari after u finish the rin rituals
So I’m a f2p and I dont have Twisting Nether. What would be a good replacement? Doom?
Doom is alright if you have it, or just whatever removal you can get (Hellfire, Spreading madness, Felfire potion…) Doom is the closest though since it removes everything… can be tricky to get to turn 10 if you’re against the ropes though
I plan on crafting Rin eventually, but for now what would be a good replacement for her?
If you don’t have RIM right now you may want just add a Hellfire for clearing and activating the spellstones… there’s a ton of warlock zoo decks around right now, it helps…
Honestly this doesnt work without rin,its not cubelock and u cant rush with 5-6 doomguards to the enemies face,rin is really good and neccesary,i played one while without her and then decided to craft the card,sometimes u only win because of her and other times it can be late if u draw her on turn 7-9 or even on turn 10
Replace one tar creeper by Medhiv to take care of the weapon problem + benefit from Rin.
Going well so far 39-17 70% win from 15 to 6 !
Having some trouble with the weapon. Overall the deck works great and has great control/stall. However, I often have access to the weapon before I even get Rin or Oakheart. When I finally complete the Rin combo, the weapon summons the demon, bypassing it’s powerful battlecry effect. Am I doing something wrong? How can I utilize this deck to it’s full potential if I am doing something wrong?
dont play this deck with the weapon,i know,i played the first few times too and it fuck up the battlecry and the work u did with the rituals is for shit,sure u get one 10-10 but its better withhout the weapon,i play a different control warlock,thinking about crafting nzoth too,he would be great in thi s deck
Ive been playing this deck since the expansion release and have been having very good success with it for the most part. I know I wont win every game but I feel like some of the few games I lose could be prevented if I had the right cards. I know its early and everyone says don’t spend essence on cards this early. I am running 2x hellfire and an extra tainted zealot due to not having thalanos, oakheart, and skull. I have enough essence for 2 legendaries and was thinking oakheart and skull but am hesitant because it is so early in the expansion. I guess im looking for reassurance to not spend the essence for them or some knowledge on how good this deck is projected to be to warrant me spending the essence. Ty for the feedback
If anything, craft thalanos. long term gain in that he is a classic legendary. He is in just about any control deck because of its effect. So always pick those first to craft. After that, wait until the meta settles. To be honest, oakheart is probably the one you want to craft because of the instant value you get from him, skull is good, but not a completely necessary craft. I would save the dust until the meta settles to craft one of thsoe two.
Just wanna chime in and agree. I run this deck (no blood mage yet but I have everything else) and I would say craft Rin, Oakheart, and Gul’dan if you don’t have them yet. The skull is nice but I’ve had to screw me more times than I’ve really benefitted from it. I have pulled off the full Rin combo at least 5 times now and the skull had summoned him every time, negating the battlecry. Skull still adds a ton of value but just not as necessary for the deck to work well.
I switched out bloodmage for medivh and its consistently helped with late a huge late game board and problems with the weapon.
I agree, Skull might be good under certain circumstances but feels too situational… I think it can be substituted without too much impact…
Are the Voidlords absolutely crucial? and isn’t the skull a bit counterproductive if it pulls your enforcers or homunculus? They are the way to increase your spellstones… I’ve been testing this with Hellfires instead of Voidlords, a second zealot instead of thalnos (I don’t have him), and a single corrosive sludge instead of the skull, but I’m definitely doing something wrong, vs control I almost always end up in fatigue, and it’s difficult to effectively destroy the opponent’s deck with Azari.. I would highly appreciate pointers on how to play the deck…
Voidlords + guldan and oakheart are op. Hopefully you don’t draw homunculus early, but abyssal enforcers are usually hard to play with the battlecry, so cheating it out works alright. It isn’t crucial to activate your spellstones either. Voillords are needed, 2 of them.
Actually, homunculus are fine if you have the spellstones in hand, or if you add dark pact for sustainability… minor tweaks to fit different playstyles…
just play with one homonuclas(or maybe without homonuclas,it seems tht the possesed lackey almost always pulls the homonuclas to the field even if u have 2 voidlords in the deck),2 kobold librarians and 2 hellfires it is enough to boost the spellstones,and with the voidlords u can have a strong taunts board and play the rin rituals effectively,and hold the twisting nether(or doom,whatever u play) as much as possible,if the opponent has a strong board on turn 8-9,u have the voidlords and the demons form the rin ritual still in play,play twisting nether,then later guldan and resumoon your minions and then u can play azari
Has anyone tried Medivh to gain more value from the seals?
After trying this out for a day. Easily fixed the weapon problem. Your deck does tend to get over flooded with minions but that’s not always a bad thing with the deck.
my argument was that by the time you finish the seals, your opponent would be out of cards naturally by then anyways. turns out Rin surprisingly good. control lock is already good against aggro and midrange and Rin is a very good anti control card. was playing against another control lock and destroyed half of his deck
yep,i was the same,though it will be bad at the time u can play azari and destroy the opponents deck,the deck is bad against the new mage with the explosive runes or whatever they call that,and sometimes agains big spell priest,depends if u draw rin early
If you are feeling greedy some day, you can play the Darkness after you Azari your opponent’s deck. The ultimate end game threat. Chances are either dead already, won rounds ago and just BMing, or last resort all in.
guys should i craft rin or okenheart first?
Rin is the most important of the 2 in this deck, but is otherwise a pretty bad card while Okenheart is a pretty strong cards in different decks including this one.
I built a Rin deck it’s very different from this one , no skull although I have it.. I use the demon recruit guy. to get void Lord and bloodblloms… Currently 7-1 with it. You have to stall but with warlock that’s not hard. To think I got a gold copy and was about to dust it… I’m glad I hesitated , this is fun..
master okharest replacments?
I used jaraxxus, seems to work just fine.
Good replacement is Barns, it can still be game changing if u pull voidlord or Rin on 4th turn
u can put anything,it will work without him
My very first game with this list a priest got a copy of my rin and was able to destroy my deck, next turn I killed him with hero power. Is this deck secretly super good? Dang
is this deck worth crafting
It’s tier 2 right now. I grinded from rank 9 to rank 6 tonight with a 67% winrate. Although I don’t use the weapon instead I have a single hellfire. It’s been great!
not super easy to learn but works fine I’d think
Definitely a fun deck to play, and it has 2 different win conditions (fatigue with Rin or just good old demon swarm with Gul’dan), so I believe it’s worth playing… not sure about viability for top ladder positions though…
Damn nice packs, i got like 2 legendary form 56 packs. one of them that still useless 20/20.
The Darkness puts duplicates into highlander decks, turning of cards like Raza and Kuzakus until they draw 2 out of 3 candles. I think it can be very useful depending on the meta.
Nobody else having the problem where the weapon keeps pulling Azari from hand?
Yup, that’s a problem.
If your both in fatigue it’s actually a good thing that skull pulls it. It frees you up to hero power.
If you run Medivh you can swap out the weapon when you’re ready to start working on your seals, solves the issue of summoning Azari as well.
won no1 game with this deck.. rly dont know how u guys can with this x(
Playstyle isn’t just easy, you need to play greedy and proactively. That, and any game with a new deck is hard to learn. It’s a control Warlock, not like any other deck.
You need to play it more, so you can allocate your resources better… Defile is a great tool but it can be a little tricky to calculate… Try to delay the game with early taunts, trading and removal, until you can get Rin in there, or a decent gul’dan…
Any good suggestions for Skull of the Man’ari? I dont have any dust left to craft another legendary.
Tar Lurker or Hellfire
what can be a good replacement for oakheart?
Good replacement is Barns, it can still be game changing if u pull voidlord or Rin on 4th turn
Do you think oakheart and rin is really worth crafting? I’m poor on dust and dont want to delete all my decks to afford 1.
It’s best to avoid crafting cards early on, especially ones as slow as Rin and Oakheart.
Don’t craft any cards. But your set on using dust oakheart has much higher potential and is neutral
Skull of the Man’ari pulled out my Azari, the Devourer from hand. T_T
Only losses i have so far in 10 games was to a rogue with double shadowstep prince on turn 2 and i had none of my early game and to highlander priest. This deck is really fun always love dogs deck ideas
How good is rin the disciple in this deck though?
100% worth, control warlock pushes long enough to make use of Rin’s seals, and if you complete it, you get a win condition (and it is not hard to reach) your other win condition being bloodreaver gul’dan,which Rin’s seals contribute to! Its an amazing card for control warlock overall.
good, it costs 1 more mana on average to get a reasonable board effect, to get a quite good piece of value, for 1 card only.
Every warlock deck is running double void lord. Of course I didn’t get even one from 85 packs. Is it worth crafting?
lucky me. I wasn’t even thinking of building a Warlock deck but what do you know. In 53 packs I managed to get both Legendaries from the Warlock class as well both Voidlords and I also got Master Oakheart.
He’s been great for me so far. This deck feels extremely powerful. There’s a lot of cool synergies with it and I haven’t been able to find many weak spots with it in the 10 or so games I’ve played with it.
Ikr! I was just thinking about what the deck loses to, and my only loses were blatant missplays on my part which lost me the game (during the early stages of learning how to use the deck effectively) it beats Miracle Rogue, it can beat Raza Priest, it beats Token Druid. What more could you ask for than a deck that beats all the other top tier decks! 😀
Just wondering how does this deck beat Razakus priest? It seems too slow for it…
voidlords and playing proatively, plus azari and maintaining high health I think.
It’s definitely not an easy match, you need to get Rin out there fast to mill their deck and deny them key pieces, or get a fat Gul’dan to keep your health up…
Are you kidding ?!? Man this is one of the BEST CARDS in the game
Ofcourse is worth carfting