I replaced him with Barnes, might even be a better choice. There are multiple good targets (Deathwing: Dragonlord, Dragonhatcher, Y’Shaarj, Lich King, Ysera…) and if you had a decent draw you will have a scout or mire keeper, reducing the likelihood you hit those with Barnes on 4.
Why do I feel like this is inferior to the prior Big druid that did not use Dragonhatcher/Master Oakheart?
The Dragonhatcher/Oakheart plan is not very good on a % chance of working in practice. Its like Barnes but worse it pretty much has over a 50% fail rate. Its great if you draw Oakheart first and only Oakheart, but most games you’ll sub-optimally draw dragons first and your Dragonhatcher/Oakheart will be dead cards.
climbed from 15 to 5 so far, will push to legend this weekend.
Did alot of tweeking & experimenting, my current list has -1 UI, + malygos. You never ever want to use 2 UI’s, even rarely 1. Malygos isn’t a win condition, but the generated spells + swipe/UI/wrath give some pressure though.
Will likely either dump y’shaarj or make room somewhere for 1 innervate. Allthough he sounds good in this recruit-y deck, practice shows that it rarely sees play. dragonhatchers can’t pull Oakheart and on 10 u usually urgently need a taunt. And when you don’t, Ysera, Deathwing DL & LK give more tempo. Only good thing i can see is y’shaarj + innervate + earthen scales. Because without innervate, only Kun & LK give decent earthen scale value on 1 turn.
Ive been quite the advocate of the Big Druid as of late. So when the expansion came out, I was excited to see the new additions. I didnt quite understand the point of a Dragonhatcher, because its a card that leads to another card… when you could just cut it out. But, it does mean one more body.
Also, I understand that Oakheart is there to snatch a Dragonhatcher… to then hatch a dragon. But thats it tho. So is he in this deck exclusively to thin it out? If thats all… I may be tempted to go to Alex, Noz or a different dragon. I think Noz actually makes a fine choice, with all these combos these days. Takes forever.
after teching around a bit i went back to the original. it just feels most streamlined. Teching against aggro/tempo is pointless because it delays your death by 1 turn whereas ramping advances your powerplay by a turn.
Barnes is a turn 4 tempo play which is dead weight in this deck, ramping with one of the 8 mana gains is better.
after hitting r13 I started to run into a lot of tempo decks. call me crazy but im not a fan of yshaarj in this one. there is to much potential for him to botch a recruit option by pulling a dragon hatcher(i dont believe it procs if he gets pulled from yshaarj), kun play, or oakheart..adding another dragon makes sense in place of him. alex comes to mind first or nozdormu for the lulz. barnes would be a nice addition though if i decide to keep him in.
love the deck. Don’t understand why you need infestation though. you only need card draw pre 10 mana and then you recruit everything. at first i took one out, now i’ve removed both since i’m on a full hand every game. Also my guess is oakheart is there purely for dragonhatchers? When i get to 10 mana alive it’s usually GG anyways.
Barnes could be nice for ysera, lich, deathwing, DL, y’shaarj. And maybe some more early pressure vs all the aggro paladins/warriors/rogues/locks? like claw, barkskin, or even innervate?
replaced oakheart with barnes, 2x UI with 2x mark of the wild. Works amazing vs all the aggro, still strong enough power play vs priests. MotW goes well after innervating or even on deathwings lategame as a huge wall.
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any suggestions on replacement for Kun?
I replaced him with Barnes, might even be a better choice. There are multiple good targets (Deathwing: Dragonlord, Dragonhatcher, Y’Shaarj, Lich King, Ysera…) and if you had a decent draw you will have a scout or mire keeper, reducing the likelihood you hit those with Barnes on 4.
Why do I feel like this is inferior to the prior Big druid that did not use Dragonhatcher/Master Oakheart?
The Dragonhatcher/Oakheart plan is not very good on a % chance of working in practice. Its like Barnes but worse it pretty much has over a 50% fail rate. Its great if you draw Oakheart first and only Oakheart, but most games you’ll sub-optimally draw dragons first and your Dragonhatcher/Oakheart will be dead cards.
You need more big bodies.
Primordial Drake?
climbed from 15 to 5 so far, will push to legend this weekend.
Did alot of tweeking & experimenting, my current list has -1 UI, + malygos. You never ever want to use 2 UI’s, even rarely 1. Malygos isn’t a win condition, but the generated spells + swipe/UI/wrath give some pressure though.
Will likely either dump y’shaarj or make room somewhere for 1 innervate. Allthough he sounds good in this recruit-y deck, practice shows that it rarely sees play. dragonhatchers can’t pull Oakheart and on 10 u usually urgently need a taunt. And when you don’t, Ysera, Deathwing DL & LK give more tempo. Only good thing i can see is y’shaarj + innervate + earthen scales. Because without innervate, only Kun & LK give decent earthen scale value on 1 turn.
You know it’s a “Big” deck when you get to the neutral cards and the first one on the list is The Lich King.
Ive been quite the advocate of the Big Druid as of late. So when the expansion came out, I was excited to see the new additions. I didnt quite understand the point of a Dragonhatcher, because its a card that leads to another card… when you could just cut it out. But, it does mean one more body.
Also, I understand that Oakheart is there to snatch a Dragonhatcher… to then hatch a dragon. But thats it tho. So is he in this deck exclusively to thin it out? If thats all… I may be tempted to go to Alex, Noz or a different dragon. I think Noz actually makes a fine choice, with all these combos these days. Takes forever.
after teching around a bit i went back to the original. it just feels most streamlined. Teching against aggro/tempo is pointless because it delays your death by 1 turn whereas ramping advances your powerplay by a turn.
Barnes is a turn 4 tempo play which is dead weight in this deck, ramping with one of the 8 mana gains is better.
after hitting r13 I started to run into a lot of tempo decks. call me crazy but im not a fan of yshaarj in this one. there is to much potential for him to botch a recruit option by pulling a dragon hatcher(i dont believe it procs if he gets pulled from yshaarj), kun play, or oakheart..adding another dragon makes sense in place of him. alex comes to mind first or nozdormu for the lulz. barnes would be a nice addition though if i decide to keep him in.
love the deck. Don’t understand why you need infestation though. you only need card draw pre 10 mana and then you recruit everything. at first i took one out, now i’ve removed both since i’m on a full hand every game. Also my guess is oakheart is there purely for dragonhatchers? When i get to 10 mana alive it’s usually GG anyways.
Barnes could be nice for ysera, lich, deathwing, DL, y’shaarj. And maybe some more early pressure vs all the aggro paladins/warriors/rogues/locks? like claw, barkskin, or even innervate?
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replaced oakheart with barnes, 2x UI with 2x mark of the wild. Works amazing vs all the aggro, still strong enough power play vs priests. MotW goes well after innervating or even on deathwings lategame as a huge wall.
No Barnes? I understand there are subpar targets but there are great ones too…