Howlfiend
Howlfiend is a 3 Mana Cost Common Warlock Minion Demon card from the Knights of the Frozen Throne set!
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Whenever this minion takes damage, discard a random card.
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Howlfiend is a 3 Mana Cost Common Warlock Minion Demon card from the Knights of the Frozen Throne set!
Whenever this minion takes damage, discard a random card.
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Is there gonna be like a grand reveal of cards that make Discard Lock viable at the end or something…
Because this is just getting bad… a 3-6 for 3 discard anywhere from 1-6 cards
man warriors are gonna have a field day with this
At lest it looks like Warlocks got a pretty good death-knight hero
But at this rate you’ll prob just discard it, if you run this in your deck
another card with niche play. i could see it seeing limited play in discard warlock, but it would be dead weight against a mage, and maybe warrior, who can just scratch it down and now your 6 cards out. though the Blood Queen card would love that.
If we get to the very peak of optimism. This card could easily single-handedly finish the Warlock Quest by turn 4-5. If the meta is slow enough (which it hasn’t really been for years) this might be a decent combo.
Hoping that the Warlock Hero Card would be immune to discards. This card has insane amounts of value, though the draw-down outweighs the said value. Volcano for one would devastate you board. Hero power pings would obliterate your hand.
Rest In Peace, Bane of Doom. You will be missed.
I don’t understand the hate this card gets, don’t care about any streamer or pro player ranking cards, i’m looking at my own judgment and opinion to write comments on.
That said, a 3 mana 3/6 that does not immedately discard anything from your hand + could just loop discarding the warlock legendary that boosts himself if discarded seems pretty good to me
OFC you can get rid of it without damaging it, but where’s the downside for the warlock player then ?, besides, most of the time it’s a 3 mana 3/6 discard 1 card in your opponent’s turn and i don’t see how bad this is, since you have good targets to discard in a discard warlock.
Personal opinion, i think this card will see play, maybe not make the deck tier 1 or anything better, but it will see play at 2 in discard warlock.
+ if i’m not stupid, warlock only have silverware golem as 3-drop.
I think your points are very valid but I think where most of the hate comes from is that there just aren’t enough good cards to discard to make this a viable strategy. However if more positive discard cards become viable then this card could possibly be used to combo.
Also warlock also uses darkshire councilman as a 3 drop 🙂
tgere are not enough cards that make it viable yet, that’s very true, atleast not to make it consistent, let’s put it that way. True though, that a little more cards for discard warlock would be welcome for a more consistent use of this card.
oh yeah, true, forgot the councilman 🙂
If you have like, a hand consisting of only the Warlock legend from last expansion then this card would be insane however yeah that’s super unlikely so this card will probably be terrible.
This seems like it could be a decent card but there are many ways your opponent can take advantage of it with theach new They can freeze it so that it can’take do anything while they damage it to discard your cards. If you give it to them they could just destroy it without risking losing cards, or just dump their hand so they don’t have cards to discard. Despite all this I still think this could be a decent card that sees some play.
HOLY CHEESE THIS IS BROKEN
6 MANA DISCARD YOUR OPONENTS HAND
WHY DID THEY MADE THIS?
AND ITS ONLY A TWO CARD COMBO! OF A RARE AND A COMMON NO LESS!
WARLOCKS WILL HAVE IT AS OFTEN AS PALLADIN HAS EQUALITY CONSECRATE
What? He doesn’t have to attack with the minion you know?
He’s talking about spreading madness.
But that’s 9 mana… felhound and Trethart isn’t that good if you don’t have a board
What about that new card that gives your minion to an opponent
Good Arena
Ummmmm no
That is NOT what a Felhound looks like.
This card is so hilariously awful. the only good use for it is in a control deck with spreading madness and treachery, but if your opponent pulls it from your hand with dirty rat you instantly lose the game. Fucking. Amazing.
Blizz needs to stop pushing discard already.
Gotta keep in mind you can use this card to combo with many discardable cards such as the two warlock legendaries that want you to discard stuff, silverware golem, etc.
Also you can say that dirty rat thing about a bunch of cards.
6 MANA THIS CARD +TREACHERY!!! SOOOO GOOOOOOOD!!!!!!
Into spreading madness next turn
jajajajajajajajajajajaj this card its so good!!! so fun to play!! just play it with treachery card!!! OP! DISCARD 2 OR 3 OPONENT CARDS!!!! LOL!!!! SO GOOD!! WTF ARE U THINKING?
congratulations you all watched Dog’s stream and saw him laugh at the card then posted here in agreement to seem smart. well I think you’re all wrong about this card.
What is the problem with discard warlock?
the discard cards end up discarding one another.
What does this card do?
fixes that problem!!!!!!
now you can play this without worrying about discarding anything immediately and on the same turn soul fire something to get a better chance at discarding silverware golems.
late game this is also good because after so much discarding you’re top decking each turn and the downside is almost irrelevant.
yes I realize you can end up completing your quest and discarding it in the same turn because of this card but you should be smart enough to limit your hand size so that doesn’t happen. if you’re not then go back to playing pirate warrior and shaman. the only way your opponent would be able to make you discard your quest while this card is in play is by teching in mill cards, but let’s face it no one wants to make you draw. also you can give it to your opponent with treachery and play defile to make them discard. I know that is a far out and difficult to complete combo but none of those cards are legendary and if the meta is slow enough it can be done.
“Oh man, all you guys are just too stupid to see that a 3 mana 3/6 that can discard your hand is amazing!”
Look, I do see the fun combos with treachery, but I do not see how this card without treachery is better than what any other deck can do right now. Also, do really think that people think this card is bad just because of a streamer? I don’t watch Dog and I thought this card was bad immediately, and I am the kind of guy who endlessly played Dreadsteed Renolock back in the day, I saw value immediately in cards like Dirty Rat, but this card? It requires you to either A) not care about your hand, or B) combo it with another card and give your opponent a 3/6. It’s cool that you see value in this card, but you are kidding yourself if you don’t see how people think it’s bad
“oh man look at me quote you on the afterthought and not address the actual point that most of the post is dedicated to and condescend to you exaggerating everything you said to make myself seem wise and you like a fool, you’ve never heard of fallacies and won’t see them in every statement I make”
what are you basing your rating on? I said the card was good for the deck it’s meant to be in i.e. discard warlock, I didn’t say it was going to break the meta and bring warlock back to glory. whether a card is good in and if itself and whether it will see competitive play are 2 different things. a class can suck so bad that a good card for a niche deck doesn’t help, does that make the card itself bad? you seem to think so. you also seem to think that playing this and soul fire in the same turn for better discarding value is an out landish combo.
maybe address the bigger point of the message before refuting a meme like combo thinking that dismisses the entire argument. also what rank do you usually make on ladder?
geeze dude, I was just saying that saying that this card looks bad, and you can’t really point at streamer and say it was their fault for people thinking it’s bad. Also, this isn’t an argument if you just want to call me dumb, asking for my rank on ladder is just you fishing for a way to belittle me. So enjoy your “win” at making the other person not want to bother with you.
saying people ranked it poorly because of dog was a joke. and if you feel I’m calling you dumb or belittled it might be for a reason. 2 comments and you’ve yet you address what the card does for the discard archetype. you’ve addressed the dog comment saying that’s not the reason people rank it low, which I never claimed directly. And you’ve addressed the combo with treachery which I said probably wouldn’t be a thing without a very slow meta. also by your response I gather you’re a rank 15 try hard who thinks he knows it all. yes this is an argument because you made it one by mocking my original post and now because you can’t handle it you’re shifting blame for your part in it to me. tell yourself I’m being a condescending jerk or whatever makes you feel better about yourself. but if you want to actually discuss the potential of the card I’ll be around.
I don’t understand the hate this card gets, don’t care about any streamer or pro player ranking cards, i’m looking at my own judgment and opinion to write comments on.
That said, a 3 mana 3/6 that does not immedately discard anything from your hand + could just loop discarding the warlock legendary that boosts himself if discarded seems pretty good to me
OFC you can get rid of it without damaging it, but where’s the downside for the warlock player then ?, besides, most of the time it’s a 3 mana 3/6 discard 1 card in your opponent’s turn and i don’t see how bad this is, since you have good targets to discard in a discard warlock.
Personal opinion, i think this card will see play, maybe not make the deck tier 1 or anything better, but it will see play at 2 in discard warlock.
+ if i’m not stupid, warlock only have silverware golem as 3-drop.
Amazingly if opponent helps you complete the warlock quest, he can help you discard it immediately too.
yeah I addressed that issue stating that if that happens to you it’s your fault for having enough cards for your quest to be discarded in the first place. if you play this minion with enough cards in hand for your opponent to make you complete and discard the quest you shouldn’t be playing anything more complicated than pirate warrior, shaman or jade druid.
You guys don’t see it do you?
play this -> give it to your enemy. laugh…. laugh as hard as you can!
You haven’t read others’ comments, have you?
You have to respect their restraint. I’m sure the badly wanted to make this a 3-mana 6/6.
Yah, this a thing they do where they want a deck to work can’t figure out how and just start ramping up the stats asking “Is it op enough now?” Everyone complains, it does make new decks viable but in the least fun way possible.
Man.
Blizzard really effin’ hates Warlocks, huh?
3/6 is not enough stats for the massive, massive drawback this thing provides. Unlike Fel Reaver or Hydra, which both have very big drawbacks in exchange for massive power, 3/6 is just not threatening enough.
That, and the drawbacks of Fel Reaver or Hydra may never be a factor. Felhound, though? Having an empty hand is always a factor, and it’s always a bad one.
You play this on 3 and you best be ready to Life Tap on 4.
The ultimate dream is you play this and you have two Silverware Golems in hand, but that’s a very specific situation, and still leaves you with very few cards on 4 mana. You wouldn’t want to play this on Zoo, because it’s not a Zoo if you have no cards to play.
Arcane missle / mad bomber to discard the warlocks hand lol….
Why so much hate for this card?
This card is very versatile.
First its a 3mana 3/6.
The Stats are great and efficient. Zoolock will play this card.
Control Decks can use this with Treachery to let the opponents discard and this can be op.
I think the drawback is not strong enough. When you are hellbent than this effect does nuffin.
Warlock should get more synergy with being hellbent like hunter did in Blackrock Mountain.
It’s a neat card design, but that doesn’t stop it from being really bad. It probably needed to be much more aggressively statted to be viable.
Combo with treachery, for 6 mana give your opponent a ticking hand discard.
I’ve literally gotten to the point that discarding important cards is so frustrating that I run just Deathwing and complete the quest in one move as a last ditch effort to win the game.
Okay, I NEED to see what the Warlock Death Knight is. It has to be amazing with all of these Discard cards being printed.
Despite me actually being optimistic for cards like Blood Queen Lana’thel and slightly pessimistic with Defile, I don’t see how this could be used in any case other than some sort of Treachery combo to make your opponent discard a lot of their cards, but even then I don’t think this card is very good.
Time to wait for Gul’Dangerous…
Death’dan: 10 mana battlecry. Discard your hand.
Hero power: 0 mana, draw 3 cards discard them
I like when cards show overlap for archetypes or multiple uses like this. You can just play this as a minion and to tick off discards for your quest. But you can also use it with treachery and defile for that silliness. This allows a discolock build to have access to treachery combo with other things without going too far out of the way to do it.
Also, can we take a second to ignore the discard implications and just acknowledge that this a 3 Mana 3/6? With the potential (though not likelihood) of generating more tempo for you through silverware and clutchmother. This card gives you so many routes to win, it just comes at a risk.
WTF is this shit? Is it April 1st?
Only viable combo is with Clutchmother Zavas, and you’ll still lose the rest of your hand. Worst card in this set up to date.
I wish there was a card that you could use to give this minion to your opponent and discard his cards
But you would give him a 6 health minion, spend minimum 3 cards for this sick combo move (felhound, treachery, defile) a whole turn and wouldprobably not even kill it whilst most likely also running some smaller minions into it, giving up board control or at least wasting tons of resources. It really does not look like a good deal
Yeah, if they just would’ve made some treacherous card haha
This should be 6/3, the drawback is too punishing for the stats. With 6 health your opponent can discard you 2 or 3 cards easily.
Not worth.
You play this card in a deck in which you want to discard cards 🙂
Discarding will be mostly positive or else just use treachery
Really bad card. Sure, your opponent completes your quest and then he hits it and you discard the reward… that’s a huge problem.
If your hand is empty afterwards it gets you nowhere. If this card says “discard a random card in your deck” then it might be good. With a 6/6 body it would be also bad I think. The other Felhound from Un Goro is just better imo.
OKAY the Hero Card needs a get your Discardet Cards back mechanic !!!
or this Card is bullshit
That has to be it. Death Knight Warlock’s Hero Power will be Discover a card that you discarded.
That would turn discolock from shit to top tier, depending on the effect and mana cost of the hero card itself.
What if the warlock hero card has a deathrattle?
(Also what if the druid hero card has windfury?)
please no more discard
What about possible combos with Treachery and Defile? If you set it up correctly you can hurt your opponent pretty badly, if they play control. And against aggro it’s obviously good to stop the early rush. Losing 2-3 cards might not be too bad a payoff, since you can hero power.
Yeah. You could screw up exodia decks, discard gadgetzhan auctioneer, and any key card for any deck (except jade). But the thing is this combo costs like 8 mana so against aggro you probably won’t pull this off. Also you’ll have to draw all three cards to do this so it’s a dream.
I like the idea alot, but this is too easily abussed by your opponent. The thing about discard battlecries is that you have some control over it, with this you don’t, so even though the stats are there i think this won’t see play even in discard decks (which is sad because i run a wild discard lock with quest and i love it, even though it isn’t very good). What blizzard needs to realize is that we don’t need more cards that discard, (we have enough of those allready, especially doomguard and lakkari felhound, which is strictly better than this card) we need cards that synergize with discard.
Two ideas i have are:
2 mana warlock spell, draw a card, if you discard this draw two cards.
3 mana warlock spell, restore 6 health to your hero, if you discard this restore 12 health instead
5 mana warlock spell deal 6 damage randomly split among all enemies, if you discard this deal 9 instead.
or something along those lines. I really hope blizzard does make cards like these in the future because i would love to see the discard archetype take off, especially after all the synergy cards they have allready printed (even though most of them are just plain bad)
I like your ideas for making discard lock better; but the rewards for discard lock are usually the discard cards themselves. They’re made to be overly powerful.
Fair enough but i think the healing one would really help discard warlock though. It gives them a good card to discard and most importantly it gives them sustain, which is what (discard)warlock needs.
Not bad. I have a lot of fun playing discard warlock decks and this looks like a good addition to it. I know some people will hate it, but their reasons are for competitive purposes and mine are just to have fun, so we are all right.
Yes i love to play discard lock as well, it’s one of my favorite decks, but i don’t think this card is particularly good for that deck because it’s just a stat block and is too easily abussed. If it had an immediate impact like taunt (or lifelink) it would’ve been playable.
Fun or not the thing is they haven’t done anything competitive for Warlock this two expansions and that’s really unfair for people that like the class to climb. My only hero on Golden is Warlock and I used to play Handlock pretty much every season… I had the hope that this expansion was gonna bring it back with all the control and late game cards we’ve seen, even lifesteal! or at least a decent zoolock…but is just, every card they show its awful (on a competitive point of view)…anyways, at least with neutral cards there is a little bit of a sense of zoolock and discards from previous expansions are still viable, this one tho, definitely not.
I agree the loss of reno left warlock without a good heal, which is one of the main things it needs. It are not it’s cards that are weak (hellfire, abbysal, siphon soul, twisting nether, lord jarraxus), but it’s survivability, warlocks are a class that inherantly takes more damage because of their hero power and some of the good cards (again, hellfire and abbyssal) but if they can’t heal it back up that’s a real problem. Now i think the new warlock card defile will most certainly help warlock survive the early game, but i don’t think it will be enough…
Well its a bit to early to say the new warlock hero could have something that makes discard good. Hard to imagine them failing this many times to make discard work.
hopefully, perhaps the hero power does a certain thing mulitplied by the cards you discarded. For example, deal X damage where X is the amount of cards you discarded this game. Or summon and X/X fel guard, where X is… or restore X health… There are a ton of possibilities and i really hope they make it a good legendary. Because warlock is my fav class, and on the knights of the frozen throne art, gul’dan looked by far the coolest.