Deathwing, Dragonlord
Deathwing, Dragonlord is a 10 Mana Cost Legendary Neutral Minion Dragon card from the Whispers of the Old Gods set!
Card Text
Deathrattle: Put all Dragons from your hand into the battlefield.
Flavor Text
To his credit, Deathwing really took to heart the feedback he was receiving that he needed to be "more of a team player".- Mana Cost: 10
- Attack: 12
- Health: 12
- Crafting Cost: 1600 / 3200 (Golden)
- Arcane Dust Gained: 400 / 1600 (Golden)
- Rarity: Legendary
- Class: Neutral
- Card Type: Minion
- Minion Type: Dragon
- Set: Whispers of the Old Gods
- Mechanics: Deathrattle
Deathwing, Dragonlord Additional Information
Cards Relating to Deathwing, Dragonlord
| Deathwing Type: Minion - Cost: 10 - Attack: 12 - Health: 12 Battlecry: Destroy all other minions and discard your hand. |
Paladins now have a good reason to use Eadric against upcoming decks using these late-game supercarry cards
Paladin: 5th round, coin, thaurissan. 6th round brann and dragon consort. 7th round while you have ysera, nozdormu, malygos and chrommagus in your hand you play deathwing. Gg bro:D
I like the art.
But I don’t buy into all the 10-Mana-Boss-Card-Hype.
Turn 10 is a way to go and alot of strong control cards leave the game without proper replacement. Aggro/Midrange is going to have a fat feast for a while when this expansion hits.
88 comments hype /;=O
The game just broke
“I AM TIMMY INCARNATE!’
TIMMAY!
Thistle tea and drawing this is a dream
DEAR RAGNAROS
well found another beasty for my dragon warrior 😀
Dragon Priest just went from “the deck that suffered less” to “the deck that got pumped most”. I really like this card here! Have some potential!
90% of dragons need their battlecry to be good, and priest is a reactive class so might not be able to spend an entire turn playing a card that doesn’t do anything immediately other than put a massive body on the board. Also soft removal wrecks this, at least with classic death wing you get value if its immediately removed.
Play Dragon Priest with this and Museum Curator and Nzoth in your deck –> Get another Deathwing from Curator –> Play Deathwing –> Summon your other Deathwing through the deathrattle –> Play Nzoth to summon both Deathwings back 😀
Deathwing, Dragonlord + N’Zoth + whirlwind + blood warriors… poor another warrior, paladin, rogue or other class without hex/poly type removal.
I’m not sure wether i like this card, or not. First of all I think it’s generally a good card, cuz it has strong stats and is basically a worse version of varian, which will be an auto include in any control Warrior list in the upcoming control meta, imo. The fact that this card has a deathrattle is pretty significant, due to the fact, that hard removal and silences are likely to dominate the standart format. This card would be absolutely broken if it was a battlecry though. The effect it has is pretty strong if you have a lot of big dragons in your hand, but most of them would cost 9 mana, so you couldve played them before Deathwing. Also many of the dragon cards need their battlecry in order to be more than just a big body. My problem with this card is, that your opponent can trigger it on his turn and the use a combo like poison seeds/starcall or wild pyro/equality to basically oneshot your entire lategame force. This is still unlikely to happen though and therefore i think this card will be played in almost every dragon deck.
Dragon will be the new Mech.
What happen if u have more than 7 dragon in hand?
I tried to find this out but didn’t receive an answer. I’ll keep looking into it.
cost 10 12/12 no drawback, pretty broken
Yes it’s an extremely slow card, but the meta seems to be shifting more and more to the late game. Plus with the potential nerfs of BGH and silence, minions like this one can bring even more value once this new expansion comes up. The main tricky part is many dragons have battlecries which you want to activate like Alexstraza, and some other minions bring in their value when you have a dragon in your hand, like Blackwing Corruptor. However the number of large minions and stats brought on the board by this single deathrattle can be completely insane and very difficult to deal with.
I hope it can see play cause it definitely has potential, and it can make matches fun and interesting, which is really what I’m looking for.
Awesome art as well!
I have been reading in many forums about a possible nerf of BGH. Is there any official announcement about that? With many new big minons around there with Old Gods, how is it possible to nerf the only neutral guy that can face with them in same turn?
None of the nerfs have been confirmed.
You would have to play some dragons that don’t have battlecries like nos mal and ysera would be good with deathwing.
What happens if you have two Dragonlords on the field (Faceless Manipulator, Herald Volazj, …) and both die at the same time. Would all dragons in your hand get summoned twice?
It doesn’t make a copy of them, so the first Deathwing would pull out all the dragons and the next one would do nothing.
But there is no “first“ one in that case… for example if feugen and stallag die at the same time you summon 2x thaddius. I know its not the perfect example but you know what i mean. They die at the SAME time or only 1 thaddius would be summoned.
The deathrattles are still ordered based on when the cards creating the effect were played. They die simultaneously, but the deathrattles always run sequentially. The first run will pull the dragons, the second will pull dragons but there will most likely not be any at that point. The same will be true for other deathrattles mixed in with the dragons, they will resolved sequentially. So if you played deathwing, loot hoarder, deathwing and then they die at once the first one would pull dragons, you would draw a card, the second could pull the card you just drew if it was a dragon.
Even in your example the deathrattles are ordered. They die at the same time in the same removal check for damage or as a more direct action, e.g. twisting nether. After they are dead then the deathrattles trigger. When they are checked, the condition of the other having died will be found to be met. The deathrattles are ordered though and the thaddius come in sequentially and should be based on the order which stalagg and feugen were played as to which thaddius came from which feugen/stalagg (not that it matters).
It’s not actually that good guys. Yes, it can summon Alex, Onyxia, Nefarian, Deathwing, etc. when it dies. Yes, that has a lot of potential. But it’s not very good. Why?
First, this comes out on turn 10 in most decks. Naga Sea Witch sucks, Thaurissan might chop it to 9 but that’s still pretty late and pretty much only Druids can rush it out, and only if they get the right string of cards. You can get it at 7 cost through Portal, but what dragons would that deck have to summon? That would only be useful in a deck that already runs it/runs lots of big dragons.
Let’s say it’s turn 10. You play this. That’s it. That’s all you do. Polymorph and Hex instantly screw you. Silence + hard removal instantly screws you. Entomb and MC instantly screw you. It dying while you have no dragons out instantly screws you. Any taunt has the potential to instantly screw you. Any source of Freeze adds another turn to the amount of time it’s going to take to do anything important.
Further, running the big dragons you need to make use of it on top of itself means you’re probably running 3 9-10 drops at the least, maybe more. That is not great for your curve, and really only ramp decks want to do that (and only one class can ramp).
Bottom line: it’s very strong. It’s also very slow, and playing it on turn 10 is an abysmal tempo play.
Dragon decks tend to have great cards to play on curve EVERY turn so it doesn’t matter that it’s 10 mana because it has good stats at 10 mana (which makes me wonder why the fuck you said its a bad tempo play) and you’re unlikely to be losing when you play it. Also you really don’t need many high powered dragons to make this card amazing. If it only summons the other Deathwing it’s still great. A dragon deck with Chillmaw, Ysera/Alexstrasza (would not usually advise having both but more removal heavy decks may be able to do it just fine), Deathwing, and Dragonlord as your highest cost cards could do just fine. Chillmaw is decent on curve and the higher dragon count in your deck than usual means it has more activators which helps it wipe the board for your other dragons. With all of the massive dragons eventually the other player will run out of removal. Only 4 high cost cards in your deck makes it very unlikely they’ll hurt your curve too much and with them all being dragons you have a higher chance of having activators for your synergy cards. Also if they waste a silence on Dragonlord when you don’t want to pull dragons from your hand you’re gonna feel preeeeeetty good, not only that but its still powerful when silenced unlike Ysera and Malygos, so you can use it as a protector for them.
I said it’s a bad tempo play because it doesn’t do anything on turn 10. It’s amazing value. It’s just very slow.
I may well be proven wrong. It’s not like I’m a Legend player or anything.
By your logic, then every card is a bad card because it can be removed and silenced.
Yes, we all know that there is this big risk of Entomb or Silence+Removal, most of us did not start playing it yesterday.
What everybody forgets is the risk of losing this card without activating it’s Deathrattle is so high that the rewards becomes so bad or so unreal? The risk is not that high and the rewards are good enough to take that risk.
If you ever played Dragon Priest, then you know that sometimes Ysera just sits on your hand for too many turns because you do not feel confident enough to play it. This card can be used as a good bait.
You want to Entomb it? Good, it is clear for Ysera on the next turn. You want to Silence it? Okay, I now have a 12/12 and Ysera on the next turn. You want to Silence AND remove? WOW! Ysera is really coming down next turn!
It is going to be a 2 for 1 in most scenarios, so, you lose a turn, but then your oponent loses his turn dealing with this bad boy trying to get as little colateral damage as possible and that is not an easy thing to do in a real game, we all know that thanks to Dr. Boom on turn 7.
If Dr. Boom came out today, everybody would say “Dies to Lightbomb, that is trash.”.
you are talking crazy here are you saying that you can’t use this card against shaman (hex) or mage (polymorph)? Those cards aren’t used that much so first of all the class must be shaman or mage and second of all they MUST be running those cards or discover cards. otherwise they will need to have a silence AND hard removal at the same time in their hand without the silence used bevore or perhaps the hard removal on one of your other big dragons. this card is actually pretty strong because the ways of dealing with it are limited. the only weakness I see this card having is that its very slow indeed, but this could be run to bgh it on your turn and have 7 mana left for spells (with malygos in your hand just getting played through deathwing), or this could just be run with lots of huge dragons, or perhaps just a dragon deck, so many ways to use this card, you mustn’t look at it from the bad sides, you should look at its potential
Whatta fuckn imba card OMFG
It costs 10 mana and it’s a DEATHRATTLE. Not a Battlecry. This is going off Turn 11 at the earliest, then the dragons it summons aren’t doing anything until turn 12 (Ysera adds a dream on 11 that you can’t use until 12, so still doing nothing until 12) and Nefarian and Alex do NOT get their very powerful Battlecries. It has the potential to be strong, but it’s also slow as hell.
If you’re spending all your mana on turn 10 for one card, that one card has to have a very powerful impact and if that impact isn’t immediate it has to be even stronger. Most of the time, I wouldn’t want this to summon my Alex/Nefarian because I want their battlecries, so that’s two 8/8 bodies you’d rather summon without this. Deathwing is amazing with it, since his Battlecry doesn’t trigger and you get a second 12/12. Chromaggus is also good, since either way its effect happens at my draw phase. Ysera is also good because either way she gives you a Dream.
Three dragons you actually want to summon with this, one of which is not viable and the other two of which aren’t played in any deck right now isn’t good enough to make this card viable in my opinion.
tl;dr: When I saw it I had the same knee-jerk reaction you did, but thinking about it, not only is it not OP, it’s not even that great. It doesn’t do anything on turn 10, it requires you to hold back minions you want to play for it to be good and THOSE minions still can’t attack the turn they’re played. So while it does a lot, it does it too slowly. Most games are done by turn 12.
the way you have to look at this card is that if your opponent don’t remove a 12/12 he might die in 2 turn and if he kill it you summon a crap lot of damage wich also win you the game.
if you summon alex and nefarian whit this you get 16 damage so you don’t care about their effect.
basically your oppenent have to kill you when it is played cause there is no way he could kill all of the big minion it will played.
I think it suck to aggro deck and combo deck but it is OP to control deck.
Well obviously this isn’t going to be good in an aggro deck. It’s ten mana for gods sake…it’s obviously only going to be put in dragon decks, that’s not a question being asked.
He’s saying it’ll suck against aggro and combo, and be good against control…
He means *against* an aggro deck I think…
You know what I feel a lot of people don’t get about the “slow card” argument is that people say Deathrattle cards are slow because they have poor stats for their cost. Dr.Boom’s main deal is the Boombots Deathrattles and it’s not slow at all, why? because it has DAMN GOOD stats for the cost. 12/12 for 10 is NOT bad stats for the cost at all AND ITS A DRAGON. The Dragon tag actually matters a lot since you can use this as an activator for other cards and play this on turn 8 with Dragon Consort.
Dr. Boom is a 7 Mana card with 3 bodies and 5 attacks. The Bot-Bombs can pass taunt and it can split on 5 targets which is good against zooish decks, it is also good vs a single big body, since you have pretty big chance to deal 6-10 damage on a single target by the boombots itself, still having a 7/7 body. It is pretty safe vs silence because it has 2 bodys with deathrattle and it cant be completly removed with 1-2 card, because it has 3 bodys.
Deathwing is a single all in one body
1. Deathwing
2. polymorph
or
1. Deathwing
2. Sap (or even goblin – prep – sap – poison – poison – hit – blade)
or
1. Deathwing
2. Entomb
or
1. Deathwing
2. Hex
FOfoksake and how much is polymorph actually run, and what about hex? entomb costs 6 mana making him use half of his mana making sap the best way to deal with it
just imagie 2 deathwings in heand u play this one…….
I mean, you can only have 1 Deathwing in your deck in constructed and the odds of pulling 2 Deathwings and this in Arena are astronomically small…
I think he means 1 Deathwing from the classic set and this Deathwing in the same hand, not the same card.
But you could draw it as a rogue through thistle tea. The odds are small for this to happen, but it could happen.
GAT DAMN.
GOT!
how easy is it to get this get this 1 card out and have 2+ abled body dragons in your hand for a win condition? can you do it without slowing you down to where tempo/aggro decks don’t just blitz your face senseless for turn 6 lethal?
The main dragon decks that work are Priest and Warrior and they have amazing tempo plays themselves so good luck beating em with tempo/aggro decks.
Is there a lore justification for there being a Deathwing Mk.2 ?
go watch the youtube video from kibler
So, this is exactly the same Deathwing, just focusing on an artifact to control the other dragon aspects rather than just blowing stuff up directly?
No its more neltharion, the dragon that deathwing used to be, blizzard just decided to still use deathwing as the name and pic for the card, but the idea is focused on neltharion
Yeah this is more focused on Neltharion, which would be Deathwing before he was corrupted. Not sure why they didn’t just name him Neltharion. However he still does have the physical characteristics of deathwing based on the art, so who knows.
Deathwing you really outdone yourself this time…
Why didn’t they go with “Neltharion the Earth-Warder” or “Neltharion, Dragonlord” but instead KEPT the Deathwing name… both cards are 10 mana 12/12… prepare for massive confusion.
Have you not noticed the theme of corrupting existing minions to do the opposite of what their original card did in this expansion…?
But Deathwing is already corrupted. Neltharion is his orginal form. You can’t just…double-corrupt..Deathwing i’d assume.
if you can get Naga Sea Witch to stick…. can get this big guy out on 6….
than again, IF you can make naga sea witch stick you could also just summon y’shaarj, ragnaros or ysera. the problem is not with deathwing, dragonlord but with naga sea witch who almost never survives 1 turn and also could just make your spells super expensive
It makes and excellent tech choice in an Astral Communion/Ramp Druid. I could see Sea Witch and both Deathwings making an appearence in say Astral Dragon Druid?
funny you should say that….
Thijs has a new Astral deck that is using seawitch
http://www.hearthstonetopdecks.com/decks/thijs-season-25-astral-communion-druid/
But if you astral you probably won’t have enough dragons in hand to get value.
“Behold, the armies of Stormwind!”
*Summons 1 Twilight Whelp*
This is the armies of Stormwind?
How do you get a priest card off of a warrior battle cry? ._.
Entomb!
N’zoth anyone?
Yes, please.
yeah, but most of your dragons will be played through the first deathwing
Doesn’t matter gives +12/+12 to the N’Zoth value
I wasn’t saying it was bad, I was just saying the first one will have the most impact (IF you only take deathwing, dragonlord and not n’zoth with it). The first deathwing, dragonlord will have the most individual impact while the second one summoned through n’zoth will have alot more impact grouped up with the other deathrattle minions
I don’t know about this because dragons are a heavily battle cry race. None that I can think of are extremely good with this card yet. I hope some passive effects are introduced to dragons during this expansion, other wise this just drops a bunch of unbuffed dragons, still cool htho
Scaled Nightmare?
Yeah Scaled Nightmare is my first thought too but its doesn’t have a huge immediate effect. Still, its a 12/12 that summons smaller stuff when it dies. OMG … Shredder on steroids?!?!?!
You’re kidding me? You have both Deathwings in hand, and this card basically gets: “Deathrattle: Resummon this minion”
It a legendary
He means having the other Deathwing .-.
You could play it with ysera and malygos and deathwing himself, I wonder if you play deathwing on deathwing dragon lord that you would play or discard the dragons in your hand.
They will be discarded, the battlecry will go off before the deathrattle is triggered.
battlecry –> minions die + hand is discarded –> deathrattles of dead minions proc –> no dragons in hand, nothing is put on the board
Chillmaw
Do the battle cries trigger when they’re put on the board? Will Twilight drake be just a 4/1? Twilight Guardian have Taunt? If not, not a very useful card, since most dragon benefits stem from their tribal buffs
No, they won’t trigger when they are put on board. It’s similar to Varian Wrynn.
There are so many big dragons you would play with him, not all but at least a few: Ysera, Alexstrasza, Chromaggus, Nefarian, Malygos, Original Deathwing, Nozdormu, Chillmaw, Hungry Dragon, Dragon Consort, Drakonid Crusher, Volcanic Drake, Coldarra Drake, Onyxia and even Azure Drake. So even if it’s just a Azure Drake that you get off it, then it’s still a 16/16 over two bodies, that needs to be dealt with. Then if you get the dream of Original Deathwing, Ysera and Malygos, then you are nearly unstoppable.
If you silence it, it’s still a 12/12. If it gets BGH’d, it drops a hand full of Dragons. We will have to see if it is any good. I remember when Varian came out, people thought he would be auto-include in Warrior decks. This is a bigger body, but deathrattle and only summons dragons; but those dragons are from your hand. It could be good, it could be too gimmicky. It is hard to tell right now, but the N’zoth value with this guy is insane.
So then I can follow up with Classic Deathwing and Destroy Deathwing and all the other dragons?
That’s a good question on the ordering of the whole deal. Does it destroy the minions including Dragonlord which pulls the dragons from your hand and then discards everything else, or does it discard your hand then kill dragonlord?
I’d imagine Battlecry happens before any other effects.
battlecry first I think, since both discarding and destroying are in the same battlecry it probably will happen first, therefor all cards will be discarded at the same time deathwing, dragonlord dies, so the deathrattle won’t do anything
Wow, somehow misread the Deathrattle. So he’ll summon my classic Deathwing and Super Friends!
When you play regular Deathwing, it would Discard your hand and destroy Dragonlord at the same time. Dragonlord does not trigger until after it died, which would be after you discarded your hand. This means that you cannot use Deathwing 1 to trigger Dragonlord (Well, you can, but Dragonlord wouldn’t summon anything on death).
Unless of course you had played several loot hoarders before your Dragonlord, their deathrattles would then trigger first, and you would summon any dragons drawn.
My dragon warrior deck says goodbye to Varian Wrynn
Not sure why they made this card, but it’s good.
He can summon your other Deathwing.